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the right 4-person tent is hard to find

I'm looking for a 4-person tent to replace my 8-person tent.  The 8P tent is nice but big and a challenge to deploy especially since it's usually just the two of us (daughter and myself). Next year it will be 3P and anytime it could be 4P is my wife and other daughter join in.

I've seen a few tents that I really like.

The hammock tents are the most interesting. They look like they would be really comfortable but The places we've visited this year do not have sufficient tree stands.

The Scorpion-3 looks nice. I like the deploy process although the weather has never been that bad that an outside-in deploy was advantageous.

The Cave looks like an interesting tent except that it required 5 extended poles but it is the complete deal and ... expensive ... and not available in the usual channels.

The Cinche 4P- even though it pops up and deploys quite quickly there are nearly 10 tie-downs per side and the 2 entries use aluminum poles. Also not available in the usual channels.

The Quechua 2 second XXL- not sure it's available in the US. I still need to determine if the sleeping area is in a tub or not. The deploy was simple. My concern is that the windows are access from the outside not the inside. I suppose there are reasons for both. (this tent was replaced with the "air 2 second". The idea of an air-pole makes me queasy).

I'm still looking.

UPDATE it's interesting to note that several of the companies that offered "pop up" style tents seem to have moved to different tech and I cannot find a reason why they did. Was there an inherent problem with the popup? Clearly a broken support and the entire tent is a wash. Quechua seems to be moving toward an inflatable arch. It's all pretty sad.

UPDATE I think I found a popup that is worth the money. The Malamoo Mega. It's not as expensive as the cave but offers popup. Meaning all the reasons that the Scorpion3 outer shell first was interesting this is better. Of course you're not going to go some places that you would with a Cave. But for car camping it might be preferred. And this fivejoy is a close second as it has a smaller price tag although it appears to be a smaller tent with fewer youtube videos but more amazon reviews.

UPDATE this post is starting to look like a twitter log. The Malamoo Mega is almost 12 inches taller and 2 feet longer. I'm not sure what the actual dimensions of the compartments are because the descriptions seem incomplete. Malamoo (oztent) seems to be a tent/camping company where fivejoy seems to be a marketing company. This is where the actual choice gets hard to make.


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